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he has a tax cut. if you implemented it, what he says though, and has said from the beginning is that he will pay for that tax cut. when you include that sentence, he then says fairly scored, i have promised as a later date to pay for it. the question has been how are you going to pay for it? why should we believe you when no republican in 20 or 30 years has paid for a tax cut. i'm not sure it is wrong for romney to say that he is going to do a $5 trillion tax cut. the problem is he hasn't told us a word about how he is going to pay for it. the three things he wants to do, have the 20% across the board rate cut and have it paid for while protecting a bunch of tax cuts, they can't be done at once. something has to give and we don't know what it will be. >> he is wrong. because, if we give them the allowance that you are willing to give him, that will be the first time in the history of the discussion of tax policy in our government that anyone has been able to say i don't have a $5 trillion tax cut beca
he has a tax cut. if you implemented it, what he says though, and has said from the beginning is that he will pay for that tax cut. when you include that sentence, he then says fairly scored, i have promised as a later date to pay for it. the question has been how are you going to pay for it? why should we believe you when no republican in 20 or 30 years has paid for a tax cut. i'm not sure it is wrong for romney to say that he is going to do a $5 trillion tax cut. the problem is he hasn't told...
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. >> these are people who pay no income tax. 47% of people pay no income tax. so our message of low taxes doesn't connect. he'll be out there talking for tax cuts of the rich. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. krystal ball, i don't know. that sounds to me like it's a description of how he would be as president. so my job is not to worry about those people? >> well, he may have contempt for you, but that doesn't mean he's going to act like he has contempt for you when he's president. obviously, when he was in that particular room, he was telling the people in that room that that's exactly who he would be as president. and i think what we see from mitt romney is who he is and what he says is all dependent on the expediencies of the moment. if we had a president romney, he would mostly be held hostage by a republi
. >> these are people who pay no income tax. 47% of people pay no income tax. so our message of low taxes doesn't connect. he'll be out there talking for tax cuts of the rich. so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. >> so my job is not to worry about those people. i'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. krystal ball, i don't...
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tax havens. mitt romney avoided paying his fair share. what else is he hiding? >>> joining me now, david k johnston author of the new book, "the fine print" and karen finney. david k. johnstone, the times got tax experts to look at the tax returns and some documents they obtained from bain from this new report today. what did we learn? >> well, the cayman islands 4 hundred years ago was a hang out for pirates now it's a hang out for tax pirates. instead of a buried map of where the tresh is, now you get this opinion letters from lawyer, if you follow one every one of these steps, you can get your treasure untaxed to the cayman islands. one of the things the times points out because of the way these were set up and the fees they were charged against them, the less taxes paid by those who were investing, the greater the sum available and therefore the higher the fees that romney collected. >> karen finney, romney, you get the sense the romney campaign expected that the tax return story was a story
tax havens. mitt romney avoided paying his fair share. what else is he hiding? >>> joining me now, david k johnston author of the new book, "the fine print" and karen finney. david k. johnstone, the times got tax experts to look at the tax returns and some documents they obtained from bain from this new report today. what did we learn? >> well, the cayman islands 4 hundred years ago was a hang out for pirates now it's a hang out for tax pirates. instead of a buried map...
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. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney boiled down the president's foreign policy to one of hope. >> hope is not a strategy. >> but on actual foreign policy romney's specifics were rather thin. >> i'll support the libyan's people efforts to support a lasting government. >> how about iran? >> prevent them from acquiring nuclear weapons capability. >> that's the same. >> this is the same guy who couldn't even go to the olympics. >> he will say anything, he will do anything. >> his mention of russia. >> without question of number one geopolitical foe. >> there are two kinds of success, initial and ultimate. >> i still believe you in and i hope you still believe in me. i
. >> at the debate he said he's not going to cut taxes for the wealthy. in the primary he said he's going to cut taxes for everyone. >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans. isn't that a change? >> let me repeat what i said. >> lying, denying and alibiing. >> is that leadership? >> we can't debate the debate. >> the war continues. >> let's move on. >> we are awaiting a major foreign policy address. >> romney...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you did say he was fundamentally dishonest after debating him in the primaries. this is not a new attack against romney policy. >> no. and i think that the challenge for the obama people is pretty simple. the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared, if he had actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? why didn't he take romney head on? first of all, the charges on the tax cuts are plain wrong, and i think virtually every analyst has said and even your deputy campaign manager said the charges made are wrong. but forgetting tha
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you...
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be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big, bold idea is never mind. >> but the etch a sketching did not stop there. governor romney who once believed financial regulation was hurting the economy -- >> dodd frank it's called, has not helped enterprise get going, it's slowed it down. >> now seems to be a supporter of wall street regulation. >> want to repeal dodd/frank? >> and replace it. we're not going to get rid of regulation. some parts of dodd/frank that make all of the sense in the world. >> and back in june, romney mocked the president's crazy ideas about needing more
be a 20% tax cut? >> i'm going to lower rates across the board for all americans by 20%. i want a 20% across the board reduction in taxes. the individual marginal tax rate 20% across the board. the top rate, for instance, would go from 35 to 28, middle rates would come down by 20% as well, all rates come down. >> president obama was just as surprised. >> well, for 18 months he's been running on this tax plan. and now, five weeks before the election, he's saying that his big,...
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so if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for 5i trillion tax cut. i won't put in a place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> that's three different moments during this debate when mitt romney noticed the bump in the set for obama. what he's saying there is he's arguing against math. the idea that you can cut faxes 20%, can you tell taxes for everybody and it's deficit neutral and faye for it by closing unspecified loop moles and dealing with deductions. that is the romney position. it's up to bahama to make romney get specific about it to say okay. it's easy to say you deal with the deductions and it's easy to say it's deficit neutral and let's talk about the specific deductions and talk about the home interest deduction and health care deduction and the charitable giving deduction. these are things that people rely on and things that are popular with voters. let's put mitt romney on the spot here and say if you pay for it with deductions, this
so if the tax plan he described were a tax plan i was asked to support, i'd say absolutely not. i'm not looking for 5i trillion tax cut. i won't put in a place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. >> that's three different moments during this debate when mitt romney noticed the bump in the set for obama. what he's saying there is he's arguing against math. the idea that you can cut faxes 20%, can you tell taxes for everybody...
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tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give $5 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to get a revenue neutral tax plan. it's a plan so bogus not even a fox news host can understand it. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through the math. >> paul ryan, paul ryan, if you want to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, we're going to have to explain your plans to the american people. take all the time you want. especially here on "the ed show." you guys have been complaining about media fairness preponderance let's talk it over. today paul ryan told a radio
tax rates. it's revenue neutral. >> it's not unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. the first half. lowering the tax rates. does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. >> the master of the power point was having a hard time making a point. let's break down what paul ryan is actually saying here. romney and ryan will give $5 trillion in tax breaks to the wealthiest americans. subtract an unspecified amount of money of unnamed deductions. somehow you're going to...
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i don't have a tax cut that's 4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher program. i love teachers. we need more of them. don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty elegant in the primaries saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> and here's ""the new yorker's" take on the debate. it shows mitt romney debating an empty chair. >>> president obama continues be on his fundraising swing through california looking to capitalize on friday's good economic news. september unemployment rate released on friday dipped to 7.8%, the lowest of his presidency. and new fundraising numbers show the obama campaign is coming off its best month of the year raising $181 million in september. at a fundraising concert last night in los angeles the president added to his campaign coiffers. after thanking the stars for the performance, the president commented on his own performance. >> everybody here is incredible professionals, such great friends. they performed flawlessly, night after night. i can't always say th
i don't have a tax cut that's 4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher program. i love teachers. we need more of them. don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty elegant in the primaries saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> and here's ""the new yorker's" take on the debate. it shows mitt romney debating an empty chair. >>> president obama continues be on his...
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to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can, given the size of it and given his promise of not letting it become a tax cut for the rich. that's what romney did last night. every time obama said you have a $5 trillion tax cut, he said no i don't. the truth is we don't know what it is. as he's running for president, i think it's information that we're frankly entitled to. >> let me play another clip. the president criticized romney for a lack of specifics in the tax plan and wall street reform and health care. that's how that went down. >> my experience as a governor
to do to the tax code. he has a tax cut that would cost $5 trillion. that part is true. the president is right about that. romney said from the very beginning, he's consistent so nothing he said last night was new. it's important to put that clearly. he's always said he will pay for that tax cut. that tax cut will not be passed the way it is currently in. he will work with congress to find offsets. romney has not named any offsets or shown how to pay for it, and it's not clear that he can,...
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don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine manipulating labor statistics. >> indeed. then there are the crazy people. >> that speaks volumes. >> he probably didn't pick the appearance knowing what the jobs figures would be. i think it's fair to say the economy has been bachltd obama doesn't have much to do with it. the president can't do that much to control the economy. but four years ago obama got to run saying, they drove it into the ditch, i can drive it out. then it turns out he can't. now the next guy gets to say, i can drive it out. he also can't drive it out, but this is the ritual every f
don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine...
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this is a tax in and of itself. call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate keep saying that. it's popular, but it's not the case. i have five boys. i'm used to people saying something that's not always true but keep on repeating it hoping i'll believe it. that is not the case. i will not reduce the taxes paid by high income americans. number three, i will not, under any circumstances raise taxes on middle income families. >> for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his idea is never mind. the fact is that if you are lowering the rates the way you describe, governor, then it is not possible to come u
this is a tax in and of itself. call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. at the same time, gasoline prices doubled. electric rates are up, food prices are up. health care costs have gone up by $2500 a family. middle income families are being crushed. the question is how to get them going again. >> governor romney defended his tax plan repeatedly. the romney proposal would give breaks to the wealthy while putting a burden on the middle class. >> i know you and your running mate...
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. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> the middle class in america is hurting. >> the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> kristen welker and peter alexander are with the obama and romney campaigns in these final hours before the first match-up, the debate tonight. we begin with kristen in nevada with the president. the president will travel to colorado in just a matter of hours. good morning. >> good morning. that's right. president obama will take off for denver in just a few hours. i'm told he'll have a little bit of down time with the first lady before the debate. he'll also do a walk through of the venue. here's how it's going to work. president obama will be given the first question. mitt romney will have the final word tonight. the debate will be broken up into six 15-minute segments for a 90-minute debate. it will include three on the economy, one on health care, one on governing and one on the state of government. the role of government, i should say. now, both candidates will be standing at podiu
. >> how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> the middle class in america is hurting. >> the middle class has been buried the last four years. >> kristen welker and peter alexander are with the obama and romney campaigns in these final hours before the first match-up, the debate tonight. we begin with kristen in nevada with the president. the president will travel to colorado in just a matter of hours. good...
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>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on that. it's no wonder the romney campaign is struggling with this entire message. but when all else fails, what you got to do is blame the media. >> carrying water for barack obama? >> it kind of goes without saying that there's definitely a media bias. >> where have you seen it in this campaign where you feel they are judging you by one standard and obama by another? >> i'm not going into fit for tat. there's a media bias. and anybody with objectivity would believe that. >> blaming the media is the latest talking point for paul ryan. at a fundraiser, ryan told supporters the campaign needs their help to fight
>> keeping tax rates down. by lowering tax rates, people keep more of the dollar they earn. that matters. that is pro-growth policy. that creates seven million jobs. >> that's more important than? >> than anything. >> tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires are more important than anything else? those are paul ryan's words. for bet about paying for the tax cuts that he's talking about. you know, they are here to stay if romney and ryan get elected. you can count on...
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>>> taxes, education, reproductive rights when you're mitt romney what's wrong with a little change of heart? it's wednesday, october 10th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson, the golden throat. the host of msnbc's the cycle steve kornacki, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and new york times magazine editor mr. sunday morning himself, hugo lingren. there are 27 days to the election, meaning we still have time for 27 new and exciting policy shifts from governor mitt romney. and who better than the country's explainer in chief to outline the paradox of the mittens. >> i had a different reaction to that first debate than a lot of people did. i mean, i thought -- i thought wow. here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i missed you all these last two years. >> call it the merry go mitt. governor romney has completed a full 360-degree rotation, changing his views so many times on -- so many times on some of his core beliefs that he's right back to where he started decades ago. he
>>> taxes, education, reproductive rights when you're mitt romney what's wrong with a little change of heart? it's wednesday, october 10th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor michael eric dyson, the golden throat. the host of msnbc's the cycle steve kornacki, msnbc contributor and queen bee of thegrio.com joy reid and new york times magazine editor mr. sunday morning himself, hugo lingren. there are 27...
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what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a math problem. they can't pay for it. if they can't pay for it, then they are going to raise taxes on the middle class. that's what the economic studies have shown. and look, i don't know anybody who thinks we're another tax cut for a millionaire away from a stronger middle class. that's just not how we have built our economy before and it's not how we're going to continue to make our country on the debate moderator to do itill ?e present be >> ihink the debate morato think the president will push back pticularly on some of thes
what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a...
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they are sort of this strange direct where they can put things on referendum where you can't raise taxes but the people can also vote on what they want. >> that's right. >> jon: so it is the perfect symbol for the difficulties we have in the country of getting the services we want while convincing people that they do have to bay for it. >> yes. you have that rob, but you also have the other problem, which is that mistakes were made, not only in california but all over the united states, when it comes to pensions. we have in california now for instance $400 billion of unfunded liability, this is something that was done by the legislature, not by the people, so there is a huge amount of money that is being going out, and now it is not available for programs for the people, just because it is for retired people and kind of like you are living in the past, you are taking care of things in the past rather than look to looking to the future and building schools and roads and universities and less study -- >> jon: i keep coming back to this idea, if only somebody could come back from the future
they are sort of this strange direct where they can put things on referendum where you can't raise taxes but the people can also vote on what they want. >> that's right. >> jon: so it is the perfect symbol for the difficulties we have in the country of getting the services we want while convincing people that they do have to bay for it. >> yes. you have that rob, but you also have the other problem, which is that mistakes were made, not only in california but all over the...
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in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship. the person who is guilty is the person who is cheating. >> yes, indeed. ken, mr. romney tells wolf blitzer that will be a preference, in his words, for home mortgage deduction and charitable contribution, so to make up for the tax cuts, what ducks will go away? have you found them? >> this has been a great challenge of covering the campaign where there isn't -- >> this is a bigger mystery than the loch ness monster, no one can find them. >> that's one thing democrats will press him on. they've tried with a high degree -- to point out that is not -- the math is not working here, that's one of the thin
in the last debate, no, he does not plan a tax cut but he says he plans a tax cut -- a 20% tax cut across the board. there are a number of ways -- i've witnessed once when mitt romney once said he was pro gay adoption. and the very next day he said he was staunchly against it. so, to call someone out on their mistruthings and lies, that's not poor sportsmanship. that's like saying someone who entered a race who was doping and you call them on doping, you know, is guilty of poor sportsmanship....
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in an interview, romney was pressed for specifics on his tax plan. after ryan said on fox news on sunday the math would take too long to explain. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $70,000 deduction and can use your charitable deduction or home mortgage deduction or others. and you can fill that bucket if you will, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number. or you could do it by the same method that boll simpson did it. but that's the sort of thing you do with congress. >> so that's the most detail we have heard romney talk about this idea of different buckets and a cap on deductions. but still it's been at nearly every stop in the the last two weeks. romney has had to explain the 47% remark. don't be surprised if we hear a version of this answer when it comes up wednesday night. >> if you could go back to that fundraiser, would you have said it differently? >> it's not productive for someone to get into the detail of how a campaign is going to cop l together the people i need to win an election. i
in an interview, romney was pressed for specifics on his tax plan. after ryan said on fox news on sunday the math would take too long to explain. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $70,000 deduction and can use your charitable deduction or home mortgage deduction or others. and you can fill that bucket if you will, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number. or you could do it by the same method that boll simpson did it. but that's the...
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that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a brutal civil war that's killed an estimated 30,000 people since march of last year. for more on this potentially explosive situation along the border, we turn to nbc's amon. he's live on the phone from turkey. reset this story for us, if you would, this morning. what happened initially, and where are we now? >> reporter: well, it began on wednesday afternoon when the syrian military essentially fired on this town that was on the syrian side of the border, but according to some, they overshot. one of the mortars landed in the turkish town
that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a...
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they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states! >> today, heavy hitters are fighting back. senator marco rubio just now in denver. >> the last four years the american middle class has been buried. those aren't my words. those happened to be the words of the distinguished vice president of the united states, mr. joe biden. no, don't boo. he's the best thing we got going, guys. >> and how's this for trail mix? mitt romney got more than he bargained for when he posed at chipotle after ordering a burrito bowl in a photo op that's an internet sensation. good day, andrea mitchell live in denver at the site of tonight's presidential debate, the first time in five years that barack obama and mitt romney are going to be face-to-face in what the local newspaper is headlining as the duel in denver. joining me now for our daily fix, chris cizi
they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states! >> today, heavy hitters are fighting back. senator marco rubio just now in denver. >> the last four years the american middle class has been buried. those aren't my...
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is romney really not seeking a $5 trillion tax cut? will people be able to keep their health insurance under the president's plan? >> i always kind of approach it from they're both lying to me. so now i have to figure out which one is lying to me less and basing my decision on that. >> reporter: so i guess the question that i have that maybe you can't answer is why can't you make up your minds? >> they all said the rest of the debates are even more crucial. after watching round one, perhaps significantly change the entire race. ron allen, nbc news, denver. >> aides to mitt romney say he will spend part of today preparing for the next presidential debate, which is scheduled for october 16th. the president's team says he hasn't held any formal debate practice sessions since wednesday, and is spending today celebrating his 20th wedding anniversary. with me now is our brain trust panel, perry bacon jr. is an msnbc contributor and political editor at thegrio.com. jennifer rubin writes the right turn for the "washington post." and tara mcgui
is romney really not seeking a $5 trillion tax cut? will people be able to keep their health insurance under the president's plan? >> i always kind of approach it from they're both lying to me. so now i have to figure out which one is lying to me less and basing my decision on that. >> reporter: so i guess the question that i have that maybe you can't answer is why can't you make up your minds? >> they all said the rest of the debates are even more crucial. after watching...
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>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney going to that extent as matt as said and saying -- >> and doing something sensible for the government and the country. we wouldn't do that. >> but i also couldn't put anything past him at this point. >> joy reid and matt miller, thank you both. next, the president on the road again, as mitt romney campaigns right now with an aircraft carrier in the background. so who has the upper hand today? stay with us. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm
>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney...
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there are going to be tax cuts because mitt romney proposes to cut 20% off everybody's taxes across the board. >> not 5 trillion. >> but it adds up to 4.9 the ten years that the number the president was citing. that assumes no revenue coming from anywhere else. mitt romney says that is not the right assumption. if i cut taxes across the board and more money into piedmont acre pockets and spend more and have a lower tax rate and have more jobs and more own. >> stimulate the economy. >> and more money will come in. >> that is where the disagreement was. >> mitt romney does have some plans for cutting loopholes and some of these -- >> right. . he says we cut taxes and close loopholes and it becomes revenue neutral and president cited another studying saying you have to raise taxes on the middle class. that is why this becomes so hard to fact check one of these because they are both sort of saying things that are kind of true. >> let's switch to jobs. this doesn't have to do with the debate necessarily last night but it's critical. we have the big monthly jobs report tomorrow and we have so
there are going to be tax cuts because mitt romney proposes to cut 20% off everybody's taxes across the board. >> not 5 trillion. >> but it adds up to 4.9 the ten years that the number the president was citing. that assumes no revenue coming from anywhere else. mitt romney says that is not the right assumption. if i cut taxes across the board and more money into piedmont acre pockets and spend more and have a lower tax rate and have more jobs and more own. >> stimulate the...
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did the vice president give critics an opening when he talked about a tax hike. let's listen. >> you know the phrase they always use? obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do, in one regard. we want to let that $1 trillion tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all the money going to the super-wealthy. >> does the vice president's style create a risk for the democratic ticket? >> he does. you know, it's something that they've been watching with joe biden for years, but joe biden has been preparing for an entire week. by thursday when the debate happens, he will have spent almost a week at his home in wilmington preparing. and when he is prepared, he is much better in that he doesn't make those same gaffes. when he nose what it is that he needs to say and he's not going off the cuff in this style, he does better. >> on thursday, joe biden went aggressively after governor romney on taxes. let's take a look at that. >> you just never know what game or what position governor romney's going to com
did the vice president give critics an opening when he talked about a tax hike. let's listen. >> you know the phrase they always use? obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. guess what? yes, we do, in one regard. we want to let that $1 trillion tax cut expire so the middle class doesn't have to bear the burden of all the money going to the super-wealthy. >> does the vice president's style create a risk for the democratic ticket? >> he does. you know, it's...
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he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>> the best thing to help prevent crime in cities is to bring opportunity in the inner cities. teach people good discipline, good character. that is civil society. that's what charities and churches do. >> paul ryan and mitt romney say churches and charities are the only antidote to poverty. >>> another is ordering to vote for mitt romney. we'll read the letter where he admits it. >>> and which tape is a better window into mitt romney's window for america, the denver debate or the 47% tape? ahead, my commentary on why this countr
he raised taxes. and when he left office in massachusetts, people somehow forgot he left the people in massachusetts with the largest debt per capita in america. now he says he's going to do good with money by cutting taxes by 20% and spending $2 trillion more on the military and $716 billion, even more than ryan or obama proposed, in medicare. i don't know how he does his math, but somebody ought to buy him a $2 calculator. >> governor schweitzer, great to have you with us. >>>...
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let me play that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> i don't want to read into personality, but you can see a common theme when pressed or made uncomfortable. might we see that in two days? >> look, you know, ryan has actually been a liability to the ticket so far. he hasn't comported himself very well in this campaign at all yet. the polls immediately after he was named showed he wasn't a popular choice. his convention speech was pretty rah, rah to the people the in the hall the night it was given. the next day the fact checkers started in on it sliced it to ribbons. he's been a drag on this ticket, but i wouldn't underestimate him as a deet baiter. most people consider him the favorite into the debate. there's no question as governor rendell said that he is going to play with the truth. let's put it that way. he's going to stretch the truth, and biden will challenge him very directly on the ryan budget. i think biden should also with reference to
let me play that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> i don't want to read into personality, but you can see a common theme when pressed or made uncomfortable. might we see that in two days? >> look, you know, ryan has actually been a liability to the ticket so far. he hasn't comported himself very well in this campaign at all...
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about taxing the wealthy, and he's talking about taxing planes. i own a plane. >> that's you. >> i was like, oh, okay. thanks a lot, president obama. >>> we start the second half of [ female announcer ] the best things in life are the real things. nature valley trail mix bars are made with real ingredients you can see. like whole roasted nuts, chewy granola, and real fruit. nature valley trail mix bars. 100% natural. 100% delicious. a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with th
about taxing the wealthy, and he's talking about taxing planes. i own a plane. >> that's you. >> i was like, oh, okay. thanks a lot, president obama. >>> we start the second half of [ female announcer ] the best things in life are the real things. nature valley trail mix bars are made with real ingredients you can see. like whole roasted nuts, chewy granola, and real fruit. nature valley trail mix bars. 100% natural. 100% delicious. a body at rest tends to stay at rest......
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will romney be over the ropes for taxes, bill obama be bum rushed for specifics. will jim lair send them to certain corners. after some debate of our own, we compiled our own list of what to watch. wasn't easy. here's a glimpse into the editorial brainstorm. >> the president has a double-edged sword being the president, because he's got a lot of command of detail, he understands policies, but the expectations are also high and he can come across as a little too arrogant. >> i vote for hates romney as a weakness for obama. to the strength of the president, he knows everything and he's been there and done that for three and a half years, so you can't stump them. >> toure says the president knows everything. romney's clear weakness is awkward and gaffe-prone. >> when he strays off the script and the stuff he knows to talk about, he's likely to see the $10,000 thing. >> i'm happy with gaffe-prone. i don't think he's slow on his feet at all. >> i would say questional improvization skills. >> he has the ability to communicate with a soft touch. he doesn't come across as
will romney be over the ropes for taxes, bill obama be bum rushed for specifics. will jim lair send them to certain corners. after some debate of our own, we compiled our own list of what to watch. wasn't easy. here's a glimpse into the editorial brainstorm. >> the president has a double-edged sword being the president, because he's got a lot of command of detail, he understands policies, but the expectations are also high and he can come across as a little too arrogant. >> i vote...
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plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts. that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut to add to the deficit. >> now, today, the president is saying, hang on. that's not mitt romney. he says romney's changing the tune on the crucial issue of taxes to make himself sound more centrist. ali velshi is here to make sense of what we heard last night. >> right. >> the first question on the tax cut proposal. the president is saying he's flip flopping. is he proposing $5 trillion in tax cuts? >> so this is a tricky one. what mitt romney is saying is he wants to reduce taxes across the board in every category. wherever you are coming down 20%. if you don't figure out where you're going to make up the taxes from, if you take 20% less from everybody it's over 10 years a $4.9 trillion loss and overstating it a little bit but there's a study that's been done and
plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut on top of the extension of the bush tax cuts. that's another trillion dollars and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut to add to the deficit. >> now, today, the president is saying, hang on. that's not mitt romney. he says romney's changing the tune on the crucial issue of taxes to make himself...
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federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax added up to well over 50% of what they earned. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles-simpson, by the way. lower the exemptions to create more jobs because there's nothing better for getting us to a balanced budget than having more people working, earning more money, paying more taxes. that's by far the most effective and efficient way to get this budget balanced. >> jim, you may want to move on to another topic, but i would just say this to the american people. if you believe that we can cut taxes by $5 trillion and add $2 trillion in additional spending that the military is not asking for, $7 trillion, just to give you a sense over ten years, that's more than our entire defense budget, and you think
federal income tax, federal payroll tax, state income tax, state sales tax, state property tax, gasoline tax added up to well over 50% of what they earned. your plan is to take the tax rate on successful small businesses from 35% to 40%. the national federation of independent businesses has said that will cost 700,000 jobs. i don't want to cost jobs. my priority is jobs. so what i do is i bring down the tax rates, lower deductions and exemptions, the same idea behind bowles-simpson, by the way....
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and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts. it's great to see you. >> good to be here, ezra. >> you know these numbers for this plan, anything you want to fact check, correct or complicate here. >> no, you described it very well. i think what candidate romney is not owning up to is the fact that the federal government made our plan possible. they gave us the seed money, if you will, more than seed, more than half the money we needed to make it possible and the rest came from a tax that was already imposed on the state that mitt romney essentially rededicated to his eff
and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts....
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>>> you like taxes? i've got taxes for you. christine romans is here to talk about the very serious issue of the fiscal cliff and what it means for your bottom line. literally your bottom line. plug for your show. >> the bottom line is you're going to pay more in taxes next year either because you'll go off the fiscal cliff or because payroll tax is going to expire. taxes are likely rising next year. >> real numbers for people who make certain amounts of money. >> this is the fiscal cliff only. if you make $20,000 to $40,000, your taxes will go up, $1,231. move out with me, $40,000 to $64,000 a year, a $2,000 tax bill right there. $2,000. $64,000 to $108,000, 3,500 more in taxes you're going to pay. take a look at $108,000 and up, another $14,000 in taxes. you can see the more money you take, the more you're going to pay in taxes if the u.s. goes over the fiscal cliff. what's a fiscal cliff? it's a huge tax increase, huge tax increases and huge spending cuts that hit at beginning of january. the bush tax cuts would go away, the
>>> you like taxes? i've got taxes for you. christine romans is here to talk about the very serious issue of the fiscal cliff and what it means for your bottom line. literally your bottom line. plug for your show. >> the bottom line is you're going to pay more in taxes next year either because you'll go off the fiscal cliff or because payroll tax is going to expire. taxes are likely rising next year. >> real numbers for people who make certain amounts of money. >>...
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they were called somebody else's tax cuts probably less likely to be raised. >> some other body's tax cuts. we'll examine how romney may have found his inner "w" ahead on now. [ male announcer ] when these come together, and these come together, one thing you can depend on is that these will come together. delicious and wholesome. some combinations were just meant to be. tomato soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. you paid...wow. hmmm. let's see if walmart can help you find the same look for less. okay. we'll examine how romney may di rockstar! really? yeah. oh, wow! oh, black frame looks good on you. yeah? you can get a complete pair starting at just -- $38. really?! and did you know that our glasses come with a free 12-month replacement guarantee? i didn't know walmart had all this. the price is impressive, the quality is too! come to walmart and see for yourself. find quality eyewear brands starting at just $38. only at walmart. what are they fitting, aliens? >>> the mitt romney machine is running on a 17-day delay. two weeks ago a video featuring these comments too
they were called somebody else's tax cuts probably less likely to be raised. >> some other body's tax cuts. we'll examine how romney may have found his inner "w" ahead on now. [ male announcer ] when these come together, and these come together, one thing you can depend on is that these will come together. delicious and wholesome. some combinations were just meant to be. tomato soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. you paid...wow. hmmm. let's see if walmart can...
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the fact these bums don't want to pay tax and the richest guy in the world is avoiding tax. >> bill clinton has the best peripheral vision in the history of politics. he knows how to do it. clinton uses a sense of humor to do it, to make the other guy seem like a complete hypocritical phoney. rather than say the guy is a hypocritical phoney, bill clinton builds the occasion like he's talking to the jury. that's what he did there. that's the obstacle that mitt romney has. the way people view mitt romney, in the nbc poll, they still basically have a negative view of the guy. he has to come out there and say, i know how to fix the economy on your behalf, even though people know his whole life has been dedicated to flipping corporates and doing the magic that he did that got him the caymen offshore account. and $100 million i.r.a., individual retirement account. >> he has to show -- >> how does a guy -- >> how does that help us? >> -- have a $100 million individual retirement account? >> one thing president clinton has done so successfully, he's not against wealth. he's just against hypocrisy,
the fact these bums don't want to pay tax and the richest guy in the world is avoiding tax. >> bill clinton has the best peripheral vision in the history of politics. he knows how to do it. clinton uses a sense of humor to do it, to make the other guy seem like a complete hypocritical phoney. rather than say the guy is a hypocritical phoney, bill clinton builds the occasion like he's talking to the jury. that's what he did there. that's the obstacle that mitt romney has. the way people...
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the estate tax. we'll give the top 1/10 of taxpayers an average break of $250,000. >> look, look, andrea, mitt romney pointed out that one of the things that he would do is to put a cap on the deductions. the tax policy center admitted that what they analyzed was assumptions they added to mitt romney's plan that are not deduction. >> which deductions. >> let me finish. i let you finish. now let me fin. >> yes, sir. >> the tax policy center admitted that they made assumptions that were not part of mitt romney's tax plan. there are six or seven follow-up studies that say romney's tax plan can do what the governor has said he would. he's going to eliminate or cap deductions on upper income brackets there is more enough in the basket of choices there to take care of providing the to 20% tax reduction to the middle class. >> no, there are not. >> with all due respect to what obama people are putting out, they're wrong on it. >> i'm not talking about what the obama people are talking. first of all, those a
the estate tax. we'll give the top 1/10 of taxpayers an average break of $250,000. >> look, look, andrea, mitt romney pointed out that one of the things that he would do is to put a cap on the deductions. the tax policy center admitted that what they analyzed was assumptions they added to mitt romney's plan that are not deduction. >> which deductions. >> let me finish. i let you finish. now let me fin. >> yes, sir. >> the tax policy center admitted that they made...
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as far as the tax plan, look, he has said he will not pass a tax plan that is not deficit neutral. he's been very clear about this. his principles are do not change or modify the share of taxes paid at the upper income level, reduce the tax burden on the middle income level, cut rates across the board, particularly so you can create a more welcoming environment for small businesses, reduce the tax burden on small businesses, which are responsible for a disproportionate percentage of employment in this country, and you can do a lot of this by generating growth, getting rid of deductions, getting rid of a lot of the credits, getting rid of a lot of the loopholes and that is the plan he will put forward to congress. >> here's the thing. dan, here's the thing. nobody disputes that he intends to do some of this. what we don't know is how he intends to do it, and the specifics and until we get that, i think barack obama is perfectly entitled at the next two debates to take him on it, say hang on, you're cutting taxes by $5 trillion but what are you actually going to do to make up the $5
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then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much as mitt romney wants to there is no way or he would have put forth the pro growth plan. he's ring on magic like harry potter will be his treasury secretary. >> he's not going to be able to cut taxes for rich people. he doesn't want to. the idea of pro growth taxes -- >> didn't he say 20% across the board? >> he did, but he also said if you take up the deductions, rich people won't get a big tax break. that's the truth. if you go through the principles and think about it, how do you design a pro growth tax policy? you have to take down the race and get rid of deductions. the numbers can add up.
then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much...